EP0018 05/17/26 - Scott Adam's Win Bigly Part 1 Recap and Trivia / Tech Talk

🎙️ Persuasion Club Podcast — Episode 0018

📅 **LIVE: May 17, 2026 @ 6PM PST**
📺 Streaming on **Rumble • X • YouTube**

Tonight we jump back into **Scott Adams’ *Win Bigly* (Part 1)** with a recap of the biggest ideas, surprising persuasion concepts, and why Adams believes **people aren’t nearly as rational as they think they are.**

🔥 In this episode:

✅ **Win Bigly Part 1 Recap**
We revisit the key takeaways from Part 1 including identity, emotion, perception, repetition, and why facts alone often fail to persuade.

🧠 **Who Wants To Be A Persuader? (Trivia Edition)**
Test yourself with persuasion questions inspired by *Win Bigly*. Example:

> According to Adams, what is the single biggest mistake intelligent people make when trying to understand voter behavior?

A) Assuming voters lack information
B) Assuming people are primarily rational
C) Assuming media bias determines all outcomes
D) Assuming money controls elections

(Think you know the answer? Join us live.)

⚙️ **Tech Talk Segment**
Our weekly dive into technology, tools, AI, media trends, and whatever strange thing the future decided to throw at us this week.

💬 Topics include:

* Why humans make decisions emotionally first
* Persuasion vs facts
* Identity and political influence
* The hidden mechanics behind changing minds
* Tech, AI, and communication trends

If persuasion shapes politics, business, media, and everyday life…

**Shouldn’t we understand the operating system humans actually run on?**

Join us live and bring your thoughts.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:10

Can you say I'm doing the first part?

SPEAKER_02 0:13

Yeah, you'll yeah, yep, I'll do number two.

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You got it.

SPEAKER_03 0:18

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SPEAKER_02 0:27

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SPEAKER_03 1:05

We won't blast everybody today. Welcome everybody to episode 18. It's uh the persuasion plug uh club plug. Making a plug for the persuasion. Yeah, we're kind of the persuasion plug. Yeah, right. Welcome, welcome. Anyway, uh, so glad to see you. Um, hey, you got your mug there? Let's uh go ahead and do the simultaneous smack, right? Uh how should we call it? Whoops. Um to Scott Adams, um, who will be the focus of our show this evening, not always. Um, I think our first um dozen episodes or so, um, minus the uh one where he passed away. We um were focused on um Mr. Childity, but back behind us there. But uh yeah, now we're uh hanging out with um Scott for uh encamping on Wim Bigley.

SPEAKER_02 2:01

Um how you doing, Steen? Good. I wish I had more energy. I feel a little bit tired, but it's just because I had a good weekend. I hung out with my dad for a couple of days, went went uh to a comedy concert, and uh saw the town of Eugene, Oregon, and just kind of my neck of the woods a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 2:23

So yeah. Rumor has it, rumor has it that you were right here in my small town of Crestwell.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

So that is that the rumor does have it, and uh the rumor is that there's some pretty good food in Crestwell.

SPEAKER_03 2:37

So yeah, let's go ahead and give a shout-out if you want to.

SPEAKER_02 2:41

Yeah, I uh so the place that uh or well the Crestwell Bakery, the cinnamon rolls were fantastic. Always. And uh there's TJ's uh, and I think is it is it just TJ's diner and bar? Yeah, uh I think they're like half of it's a bar, half of it's a diner. Yeah, and uh yeah, TJ's the breakfast was solid.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

Yeah, they they've had some uh uh different ownership over the years since we've lived here, but they're um yeah, they are fantastic now. They're um definitely um on the the list of places to stop uh if you're ever in Crestwell, Oregon. So um, well, for those that are probably uh wondering, yeah, we're never gonna see Crestwell, Oregon, but uh um if you ever do, um uh that's definitely a place to stop by. Um uh but yeah, you you saw uh a comedy show uh in Eugene, and that was good.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

Yeah, it's fantastic at the Cuthbert Amphitheater. Uh so uh it was a little cold, but it was a very it didn't rain, so that that would have made it a little worse.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

It was a little on the chilly side for sure. Yeah, um it's been that way. In fact, now the the sun's finally out now, but it's been mostly cloudy all weekend. So um, but yeah, was it uh John Mullaney in uh that lineup in the yeah at the Cuthbert?

SPEAKER_02 4:04

Yeah, John Mulaney, Fred Armison, and Mike Barbiglia. Oh yeah, there was an there was like an opener opener, like the guy that introduces the opener, and he was pretty funny too. He did like a five or ten minute set, something really quick, but uh got some good laughs and then threw it off to the real professionals.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

So it was good. Cool, cool. Yeah, I know that uh Eugene, they're um trying to uh become a place for for comedy. Uh people um can uh you know they they're trying to put themselves on the map in that way. So they've uh attracted a few decent shows in uh recent times. So well, hey, we we ought to get into the show. We've uh people are wondering uh, you know, what's uh what what's taking so long, you guys, right?

SPEAKER_02 4:51

Uh uh well, uh are you are you doing good before we move on too quickly? Anything interesting in your neck of the woods?

SPEAKER_03 4:57

You know, um it's just been um a busy weekend, um doing a lot of stuff, working on the show and stuff. Um is kind of where where my head's been. So um not too exciting, nothing to report, but um should should be evident in um uh the the show that we do tonight. So um hopefully, yeah. Very cool. Yeah. Nice good, good, good stuff. I'm going to flash over here onto um presentation mode again and put up the um book that we're covering here so everybody can see it's the uh win bigly. In case you didn't know, um a little uh disclaimer again. Um, case uh Owen Gregorian, if you happen to be watching the show, um you are doing your own X spaces on Wind Bigly. We had no idea before we started our series that you were doing yours. Um, so uh no copying and stuff like that. We just happen to be uh like-minded in that way. So um, but uh hopefully if for those that uh are also interested in further discussion on uh this book, check out um Owen Gregorian subscribers um spaces um for that. Um I think that's where he covers that on X. Um, let's see. Who else? I wanted to make another call out before we go too far into the show. Um take off the Wind Bigley here.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Who's it gonna be?

SPEAKER_03 6:31

Oh, you know what? It's a plug. Remember, we were talking about our plugs. Um, I keep forgetting we we we we keep forgetting to tell people please, please, please uh check us out on all of our platforms. Um we've got Rumble, YouTube, um Spotify, and you see the locals on there. And remember we said probably like five or six episodes back that we were gonna ditch locals because we just didn't have the time. Um, you know, uh we're back. We're back on locals. Um, I'm gonna get that all set up and going again. I don't think we're uh broadcasting two locals tonight, but turns out we don't save a buck at all if we um go to um um because our our locals uh channel is actually free. Um what we're paying for, and what I didn't realize when I canceled is that it um the subscription uh that we had to Scott Adams, Scott Adams.locals.com. That's what we're paying for. And uh, oh, I still want that, you know. I still gotta have that. So um and people it doesn't cost anything to have one. You could be uh any Joe um Joey bag of donuts on um um Rumble or Locals or whatever and uh have have an account for free. So um, but if you um want to subscribe to others and it's only like seven dollars a month, you know, so it's like you know, seven bucks a month to have all the access to all the the amazing content um at Scott Adams um.locals is um totally worth it. So we're back. Nice, yeah. Great, yeah. Um, let's see. Um, I think that covers all the bases here. Um we uh have on our plan for tonight, um so just a little recap of what we discussed last week, um, basically with the Win Bigly. Um and then we thought we would do a little um uh Who Wants to be a Persuader with uh some Scott Adams Win Bigley um trivia. So I've got us all prepped up for that. And uh nice. You'll have to get your your yourself ready for that here in a uh little bit. So um all right. Well um we we we we talked about it last week. Well, what do we want to say about it this week?

SPEAKER_02 9:02

Uh I'm trying to think of where we kind of stopped talking last week. I thought uh I I I feel like at the end of part one, is it the persuasion vocabulary? Is that what he goes over at the end of part one? I'm trying to think of.

SPEAKER_03 9:17

Yeah, he does have a little uh segment on persuasion vocabulary. Um, and I do have some notes to that effect, perhaps. I do. Um, but what I think what I wanted to mention, um what uh we we never really actually talked about um specifically was uh the uh the initial concept of how um how we view humans. So excuse me. Um the the way that we usually the usual frame is that humans um and others are mostly rational beings um and that we can use facts um to uh to persuade and that's totally wrong. So do you remember uh the term that he gave uh for people? There was um it starts with M and ends with bots. Moist robots.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

Oh, moist bots, because yeah, because like we're robots with skin and yeah, base, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:37

Yeah, yeah. Um, and uh I know it's a kind of a weird, weird word to or phrase to use, moist robots. Um, I'm not quite sure where he came up with that one, but I like it in a funny, quirky kind of way. Um but uh yeah, I don't think another swig on that uh but moist robots um are essentially programmable, I think is what he's what he what he's trying to say there. And so but they're programmable in ways that um we might not normally imagine. So we we think that the facts um are are gonna be the things that that that work, but that's that's not. It's uh it's totally um well let's see, what did what does he say um essentially in the book that in um fact in a world where facts don't matter um it's persuasion. So that's a good saying. Yeah. Um I guess we did talk a little about that one. Um the this is where we get into that um cognitive dissonance and um confirmation bias uh topic. That was one that you had mentioned that you had um I think that it was where you would um found some value in the book is because as you say, um there there's um a lot of times we will use either our own filters to see things or um we will use our own biases.

SPEAKER_02 12:23

Yeah. And I think uh at some point during the book, Scott mentions that uh almost everything, uh the w depending on your lens, the way you view the world and learn, is that almost uh you can turn almost anything into supporting your own uh uh opinion or view or bias. Yeah, so there's some interesting takes on that. And excuse me. Yeah, I do uh I feel like I took more notes on the cognitive dissonance uh part of it. Confirmation bias, I I feel like it and we can go through those topics.

SPEAKER_03 13:02

I don't want to like rush through them or anything, but yeah, uh well since this is just the recap, we don't really have to dig into them all over again, but it's definitely something to think about in the world of persuasion that we we wanted to make sure we highlight before uh especially before we get into some gameplay here where some of those might come up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

Well, like uh yeah, I feel like uh just thinking about how people behave differently than uh they normally would, depending on the situation, the reaction. Uh I I was trying to think of how have I what kind of examples could I think of of have experiencing cognitive dissonance or or noticing it in someone else?

SPEAKER_03 13:48

Uh do you have any examples or so that is one of the the the things that the book uh does point out is that um a well-trained um persuasion um master oh I looked at we lost Steve there for a second. Oh my camera went out, so yeah. Okay, so you're still with us, but your camera's not. Yeah, I'm sorry. No, you keep um go ahead and see if you can get that back, and they'll try to keep us uh going here. But um I think what you were saying, um the the well-trained persuasion um uh enthusiast or master, if you will, um, or especially I think the well-trained hypnotist, um mostly, um, will be the ones that are uh able to um spot cognitive dissonance in others. Um what is most unusual is for one a person to uh spot cognitive dissonance in themselves. Um yeah, and um it makes sense um because it wouldn't be cognitive dissonance if it if it weren't. Um usually you you you you can't know that it's happening if you can spot it. So um yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

I I feel like m maybe there's times where you can catch it after it's already been taking place, and you can you you know, if you have the ability to kind of step back from the situation during the situation. Otherwise, yeah, it's usually in the in the future you'll either be told or you'll realize at a later time, like, oh yeah, that was pretty bad. But in the moment, there are people who are recognizing that. So I think that's why it can also be embarrassing to be to experience cognitive dissonance in a public setting, or or there's other people around you. Um and then some people take that cognitive dissonance online, like to Twitter or X and social media, and uh that that's where they end up making it public, and everyone's everyone's thinking, oh my gosh, this person is experiencing something, uh, there's some cognitive dissonance going on with this person.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

Oh, and and that's where we uh got into that other concept, the the two movies on one screen, right? Because yeah, exactly. Yeah, their own biases um and their own um dissonance, their cognitive dissonance has uh caused them to um see reality, the same reality as um the the the concept of two movies on one screen, um where the same set of facts, but different take, different, you know. And and thus, thus, thus, I think is where we we learn that one of our very first uh powers of persuasion will be in recognizing what the movie is on the other person's screen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:02

And it it's not even smart enough to realize what movie you're watching, right? You are also recognizing what movie they're watching.

SPEAKER_03 17:11

Yeah. Um, well, and that is that is even uh what and well said, uh, by the way, um, because it reminds us sometimes that we need to take in other forms of media or information just so that we know. Um it's whatever your favorite news channel is, turn on the exact opposite and and see what what others are seeing. Um it might help you understand.

SPEAKER_02 17:41

Yeah, and something I'm trying to do better is listening and same. Uh if I feel like uh something, some topic or discussion is really like upsetting me or making my blood boil or whatever the reaction is I'm having, the best thing I can do is be quiet for a while, think about it, develop some thoughts, and then say something. Or if you're in a group and this is happening in a group setting, uh I feel like talking is not always the best option. Sometimes just being quiet and listening and trying to take in the situation is uh the smartest move.

SPEAKER_03 18:24

What was that term that you used last week? It was the quiet confidence, wasn't it, or something along that uh line?

SPEAKER_02 18:33

Uh quiet confidence does does come up.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

Trying to think uh I think you were saying sometimes, you know, where some people can be like the uh uh the loudest person in the room, sometimes the person who's quiet um exudes a level of confidence as well.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

Yeah, people might get can con concerned about uh what you're thinking because you're not talking. And uh people naturally want to talk and make noise.

SPEAKER_03 19:03

So usually people who are quiet are intriguing to other people, and you know, so and that's um interesting that you mentioned that because and I that's one of the reasons why I'm really loving this uh book already, is because so I I think we both had mentioned that we we're doing the audio book right now. Um not because we're lazy, it's because we're busy. So um, and we um when you when you listen to it, it's easy to to get further ahead than you intended because the some of the sections are a little bit quick, um, and before you know it, you're like deep into part two. But um so uh when I say this, this might not actually be from part one, but one of the things that Scott does uh talk about that I've found really interesting was how to spot a liar. And um, have have you gotten to that yet? Um I don't think I've gone through that quite yet. Okay. Well, I think it's um yeah, maybe I don't think so. Right. I don't have any notes on it. Um, but it again, it's where um it helps when you build up your persuasion skills. Um, and in his case, he was talking about hypnosis skills, um, which is one of the reasons that I am somewhat interested in in hypnosis, um, because um to to spot a liar, um, you you kind of have to first of all be able to um see their face, facial expressions, and things like that. Those those are kind of a lot of their tells and stuff like that. But um one of the things that I think is funny is they'll always want to know, like, what do you know? And that's uh that's that's a pickup from where you were just talking about where sometimes the loudest people they want to know what you know, but a liar will want to know what you know. Um, and why why? Because that's how then they can um um craft their their story, their narrative, you know, to fit your your facts or whatever. So if you you're ever wondering if somebody, you know, I'm not saying that this is the tell all, you know, that this is the thing, but if you want to know somebody's lying to you, um they might they might ask you, well, what do you know? You know, what are your facts? What do you know? So watch for that one. Yeah, the tips you learn on persuasion club. And there's those are Scott Adams tips, but um so we are already twenty five minutes into the show, um, and we've got a couple of other things. I know it happens fast for us. Yeah. Just like our basement conversations at work, we um we just get into talking and before we know it we just like, oh we gotta go time is gone.

SPEAKER_02 21:59

Go do some work.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

Let me see here. I think that that could very well serve as our recap for now. You know, we're we we've got part two. We were gonna do part two tonight, and then we realized that um maybe a little um lighter night um recapping uh part one and doing some uh trivia would be some fun too. So um so on that idea. On that note, let's see if we can fire up the persuasionator. Um go ahead and hit the persuasion machine. Yeah. Um, hey, look at that. Round one just sitting there. Um I don't have the podcast control loaded up. Do you want to do it or do you I guess I could do it? I'm sorry, that's not the I'm sorry, I lied. Not the podcast control, the game control. Oh, let me get it going here. You know what we could do? Um, just for fun, we could maybe do these together, or um maybe if you want to take a crack at one, I take a crack at one like we usually do. How how how do we want to do that?

SPEAKER_02 23:19

Uh together as uh do you want to alternate or both uh consensus on the same question? I'm cool with either.

SPEAKER_03 23:25

Yeah. Well, why don't we do this round uh together and we'll see what we get? Um that we could have some fun with this and hopefully get the audience involved. Um so together we're gonna figure out um Adams says that smart observers most often misread persuasion because they evaluate political messages as if the audience were doing what? Is it A responding to tribal identity cues or B punishing every factual error equally, and C following party leaders automatically, or D running a policy comparison spreadsheet. Interesting that smart observers most often misread persuasion because they evaluate political messages as if the audience were doing what? Um you have any thoughts, Steven?

SPEAKER_02 24:37

Uh I in my head I think it that like well I don't really a hundred percent know.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Because I asked uh I made him tough I um on purpose. I wanted to actually make us really think about these things.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

So because earlier we're talking about like facts don't really matter, so punishing every factual error equally, I would think that that would be what would cause you to misread the situation, would be thinking that factual errors matter and we should punish them. Yeah, right. What uh but also I could see that I could see it being that people are just following political leaders or party leaders automatically. I don't know. That's a tough one. What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 25:27

It is a tough one. Um, well, I'm glad that they're tough because um I think that um really prompts like uh some really good discussion. Um, I think we could rule out option D. Um Yeah. Um I don't see there being anything about punishment in there, so I think that that could rule out option B. So I think kind of what you said, it's probably A or C. Um, so is it tribal identity or is it following party leaders? Let's see, let's think about that. Most often misread persuasion.

SPEAKER_02 26:13

Like tribal identity in my head doesn't make sense because I don't I don't have like oftentimes find myself having that. So uh I just ignored A. Okay. I would lean it. Lean towards C if you've eliminated B, then I would lean towards C. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:35

All right. Well, you know, this is just a game. Um, and I think that uh what are we on the hook for like a dollar here or something like that? So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:45

We can always restart and try to answer, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

No, yeah. Well, uh yeah, we've got uh 10 rounds that we can pick from and we could do some more with. So let's go ahead and see what happens. Let's uh let's go with C. Are we ready to call that our final answer?

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Uh I think uh yes, I think so. I'm nervous. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 27:04

We're locking in on the final answer. And uh sorry, folks, that uh yeah, we still are uh don't have the sound effects rolling here yet. Uh maybe next week, though. All right, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Oh my gosh, it's are you serious? I guess so. Oh god. We blew it.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

We blew it. Well, it was hard, it was a different one. So running a policy comparison spreadsheet.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

Um okay. I mean, I guess I guess yeah, I because it I mean, yeah, I okay. I I didn't I wouldn't I wouldn't think in my head. I'm thinking that doesn't no, but hey, if it's if it's if Adam says it, then there's a there's probably some context that we're missing.

SPEAKER_03 28:02

Yeah, we might have to look that up and see if we can find out more of the story behind that. Anybody in the chat know? I mean we don't have uh a lot of active folks in the chat tonight, but uh um yeah, like what does it mean to run up?

SPEAKER_02 28:16

I mean, okay, so does that that just means that like every policy should be treated differently because nobody's comparing? I don't know, but yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

It's kind of interesting. All right, well, let's do this next question. Maybe we'll have better luck. Um, on our version um of the game, you get to keep going even if you uh screw up. So that's beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. Yeah, it's uh you know, we're all inclusive here, so you know. Um in Adam's framing, why can a message with thin factual detail still dominate a more detailed argument? Is it A because experts secretly prefer simplicity? B because voters cannot remember numbers at all C because salience and emotional direction can matter more than detailed density, or D because repetition is legally protected. Alright. Now these are uh these are not as simple as the ones that we were doing before. Um let's think about it a little bit. That's a real challenge. In Adam's framing, why can a message with thin factual detail still dominate a more uh detailed argument? Um I would say so. If it's thin facts, it's what it's saying is that the facts aren't mattering. It's the message, the way that the message is coming across. So C feels really strong to me. Um, because the salient and emotional direction can matter more than the detail or the density.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

Definitely. I I I I think that C is the only one in my head that makes sense. Yeah, because it's like it's playing to the emotion rather than the facts.

SPEAKER_03 30:21

Yeah. Okay. Um let's lock in on C. Um man, C got us last time. Yeah, yeah, yep. Um all right, and what's the final outcome?

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Let's see. Green. Let's see. Green.

SPEAKER_03 30:43

It's it's coming up. It's a little slow. Yeah, we got it. I see it. Yeah, yeah. We got it. Alright, um, I'm gonna hit refresh on this here and see if it'll eat up a little bit. Uh, next question. What matters or what makes Adam's master persuader label different from calling someone merely charismatic? Is it A that it means the person avoids conflict, B, it means the person is always truthful. C, it points oops, C, it points to repeatable techniques, not just like ability, and D, it depends entirely on physical appearance. I think we got our easy question finally. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

What do you think, Steven? Well, I I don't think it depends on physical appearance. No, not at all. Uh no one's ever always truthful, so I don't think it's B or D. Yeah. Good good process of elimination there. So it means the person avoids conflict. I mean that that could be a good one. It it points to repeatable techniques, but and not just like ability. That seems to me potentially like that could be the answer.

SPEAKER_03 32:09

I uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 32:10

What do you what are you thinking?

SPEAKER_03 32:12

I'm um I'm in agreement. Uh the the ones that you've eliminated, B and D, uh, for sure. That leaves us with A, um, that it means the person avoids conflict. That's potential, you know, a master persuader, definitely you would think, um, would be one that could avoid conflict. Um, I like C though. It says uh it points to a repeatable uh points to repeatable techniques and not just likability.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

So um that seems to resonate better.

SPEAKER_03 32:46

Um if you're good with it, I think we ought to lock in on C.

SPEAKER_02 32:50

Let's lock it in. C's this will be our third C in a row. Like the S A T's.

SPEAKER_03 32:55

I wonder if the C's just uh yeah, maybe uh it's designed to lock us in.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

They used to say like uh for college, like C's get degrees.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

C's oh we got it. Yay! Uh so we got it. The answer is C, and it points to a re a repeat to repeatable techniques, not just likability. All right, we've got two more questions left in this round. Um, yeah, this whole round is gonna be like a 15-minute round, but uh what the hell is this fun? Yeah, it's good. It's good conversation.

SPEAKER_02 33:31

Yeah. Sparking up some good talk.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

Okay. Um, here's the question. Uh, which evaluation would Adams consider most naive when analyzing a campaign slogan? Oh, this is a good perfect time since it's uh a lot of campaign stuff going on right now. Um is it A whether opponents are forced to repeat it, B whether it creates a mental movie, and C whether it compresses an argument into a sticky frame or D whether it technically whether it is technically complete enough to satisfy policy experts. I'm gonna go ahead and read the question again just because it's it's a it's an interesting one. Which which evaluation would Adams consider most naive when analyzing a campaign slogan?

SPEAKER_02 34:30

You have any thoughts on that, Steve? Doesn't sound familiar at all. That's my thought. What the heck? I am trying to think of when campaign slogans have come up.

SPEAKER_03 34:43

Um sometimes the teacher can put things on the test that uh weren't in the book.

SPEAKER_02 34:51

Yes, the trick, this is the trick question. It could be there's an answer. Oh I think we could look, I think we could eliminate it down. Okay, let's try it and see what we can come up with. Yeah. So when we're talking about naive naivety or being naive, when analyzing something, um I'm just trying to think of, well, okay, whether it creates a mental movie, I don't that doesn't seem to really make sense in my head what I'm thinking. So be in my head, I eliminated.

SPEAKER_03 35:21

I would too. Uh because we're looking for the bad answer, right? We're looking for the thing that like doesn't seem it's like which one of these things doesn't belong? Sets me straight, or you know. Yeah. Um what do you think would be removed next? Uh well, you remove A, maybe yeah. Um I would A and C really. You'd get rid of both. I I I think a sticky frame, yeah. I think is the oddball in this one. But it could be C, you know. It's our lucky C isn't Charlie, you know, three three in a row. Seriously, yeah. Uh we should probably do Delta this time. Do you think? I mean, we have lifelines too, and since we have two answers or two two questions, that's uh, you know, we can do that.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

We might need to use a lifeline. Yeah, that'd be smart. Oh, unless you feel really strongly about D. If you do, I'd go with it.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

Otherwise, I would I would say that the the lifeline uh is a perfect uh thing to do since we have them. I mean, why wouldn't we? Yeah, that's that don't make sense. Okay. Uh, which one though?

SPEAKER_02 36:41

I I wonder if if if 5050, I think, will come in handy in the future, and so so will asking people, but so uh, but I I'd I think maybe maybe asking the crowd would be okay.

SPEAKER_03 36:56

And I would say we do this phone phonophran, but I don't have any friends, so oh you're my only friend. Yeah, you're already on the call with me. Yeah, yeah. Uh let's see, let's go ahead and do a 50-50 then. All right, okay, computer eliminate two of the incorrect answers. Oh boom. Okay, there we go. Yeah. So D remains, so we we know I think we were on the right track with that one.

SPEAKER_02 37:28

Yeah, I'm comfortable locking in a D answer.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

All right. Well, you know, we were already fucked in uh question one, right? Yeah, yeah, we were told clearly if you're listening to the audio version of the podcast only, then you're really missing out because um on our version of the game, um when when you get the answer wrong, it says you're fucked. Yeah, you missed out on that. Um all right, well, let's find out. We're locking in final answer D. And I'm gonna come on, hit that button. Let it be right, let it be the right answer. And the answer is come on. Yes, we got it right. Did this D. And off of that C wave that we were riding there? It was uh the answer D.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

So let me let me thought the whole time was gonna be C.

SPEAKER_03 38:30

Right. I'll go ahead and I'll read uh the that question and answer back for people uh listening. Um, so the question was which evaluation would Adams consider the most naive when analyzing a campaign slogan? And the answer was D, whether it technically whether it is technically complete enough to satisfy policy experts. So, and I think that that that makes sense because in the world of persuasion, technical uh completeness um is is not the name of the game. It's it's it's the persuasion is more about that emotional and how you make them feel kind of thing. So all right.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Um we have Chuck Chuck in the chat, and Chuck said D as well. So thank you.

SPEAKER_03 39:19

Hey, Chuck, good to see you again. All right, um, then we'll go ahead and hit uh the next and last question here. Um I'm gonna try another browser refresh to see if it'll help speed things up because it's acting a little slow. Uh the question is a hard Adams style reading of facts don't matter as much as persuasion is closest to which claim is it a facts matter only after a frame makes them feel relevant? B facts are invented by campaigns, c facts never matter in any domain, or D facts are less important than party registration in every election. Alright. Thoughts on that one, Steven?

SPEAKER_02 40:15

Yeah, I'm reading over the answers again because I'm reading facts don't matter as much as persuasion. Uh what is closest to that?

SPEAKER_03 40:26

Um facts matter only after a frame makes them relevant, facts are invented by campaigns, facts never matter in any domain. Facts are less important. I I uh D for sure I think I could l eliminate. But we might have to ask the audience.

SPEAKER_02 40:49

Yeah, we might have to use the ask audience. Chuck is Chuck is throwing guesses into the chat. Well you're like I you know do you have any opinions? What do you what would you like to do, Kevin?

SPEAKER_03 41:05

Um you know, if it were me, um I think I have um maybe what might be the answer. Um, but I don't know. I kind of feel like I don't want to prime anybody. I want to see what the audience says. Yeah, let's do it. Let's ask the audience. All right, let's do that. So I'm gonna put uh 75 seconds on the clock. And here's how it goes, audience. Um, if everything is working in a perfect world, there should be um a URL on your screen now. You should see vote.persuasion.club. Give everybody a few seconds to get there. And if you load that up in another browser tab, um, or on your phone, if your whatever device is available to go to another tab, then you can go to vote.persuasion.club and you should see a screen that gives you an opportunity to get ready to vote. All right. So I was doing that slow on purpose so that we could give people a chance to get in there, but we're gonna go ahead and start the countdown now. So uh whether you're ready or not, here we go. Vote now. We need uh we need like some music playing, don't we? You know, something. Give us a little something going while we're we're waiting here. See if this works. It's not like uh suspenseful music, but it's music.

SPEAKER_02 43:05

I just went to guitar center yesterday. Yeah, played some drums. Oh, did ya? Jealous. Uh yeah, it's a good time. I saw your shirt. Oh, you did like the Peanuts, the Peanuts.

SPEAKER_03 43:21

Yeah, Peanuts Rush.

SPEAKER_02 43:22

Yeah. Got the Rush band, Peanuts Wise. Peanuts I'm just is that what that is?

SPEAKER_03 43:30

Uh uh. The Peanuts, yeah. Peanuts Rush.

SPEAKER_02 43:33

Peanuts uh or Charlie Brown style.

SPEAKER_03 43:37

Alright, so it looks like we have um um do we have votes? We have votes. So we have two. All right, and it looks like they're all uh pointing two A on this one, which is the one that I was gonna pick. So I'm glad I didn't uh prime anybody on that one because I think that uh people would have been like, oh hey man. So

SPEAKER_02 44:02

So facts don't matter. Uh facts matter only after a frame makes them relative uh relevant. And so that's basically saying that like facts do matter as much as persuasion. Or is it saying that uh Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 44:21

Yeah. I think that's what uh the question is designed to kind of throw you off, I think. And so you're thinking almost reverse of what it what it what the answer ought to be. So facts uh matter only after a frame makes them feel different aligns well with facts don't matter as much as persuasion, I think. Okay. So um so the A is the answer the audience uh selects. I think that's our final answer, is that right? Yes, sir. All right, let's go ahead and lock final. And come on. There we go. Yes, we were right. All right, that wasn't the bad round. That was about uh, you know, five questions, and that took us about 20, 25 minutes almost, you know. So I I think that's great. I think that's kind of like the way that this game or this is gonna go for the show. Um, we tried to do a 15 that first time we played the game, and we had the 15 questions, I think that lasts like forever.

SPEAKER_02 45:33

So yeah, that was those were longer, but uh, but not this was this was good. I like the teamwork and uh the challenge was uh pretty solid this week.

SPEAKER_03 45:44

Yeah, for sure. It's good.

SPEAKER_02 45:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:47

Um well, I don't have the sound effect for this. We'll just kind of have to roll into it here. But our next item on our uh list was a little tech talk. So um I'll I'll put it in uh the editing.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

Yeah, throw it in post, you know, afterwards.

SPEAKER_03 46:14

Right. And nobody will be any wiser, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Uh go back to our split view here. So um yeah, we do shoot um most episodes we take about five minutes or so just to chat a little tech. So um anything new in the the tech world for you that's uh rolling your socks up and down, Steven.

SPEAKER_02 46:39

I like the way you put that. Uh um right now it's uh man, I was so distracted this weekend. I didn't have much, I didn't keep up with any news this last week was weird. I feel like I'm other than a couple of video games coming out this last week, uh there's really nothing tech-wise that I had prepared to at the moment, unless something you know clicks in my head. Um man, so I'll put you on the spot.

SPEAKER_03 47:11

Then I think uh put me on the spot. Oh man, and now it's up to me to be because you know you're putting me on the spot. It's gonna backfire. This is backfiring. Um, you know, I could always carry any kind of conversation. Um, if I need to, I can I can make stuff up. So I I can uh at least share a little bit more about my experiences working with AI to develop applications.

SPEAKER_02 47:37

Um if yeah, if anyone's you've been doing a lot of that, so that'd be good.

SPEAKER_03 47:42

Yeah. Um this weekend was a very frustrating weekend for me. Um, because um I on Saturday I uh had um and I'm working mostly with chat GPT these days. Um a little bit of grok, um, but when it comes to the programming uh stuff, uh I've found that Chat GPT is um very helpful. And I'm trying to build um artificial intelligence connection into the um podcast and site um website tools that we've developed. So um that's another thing too. If uh folks just check out and when you were voting, you maybe got a little glimpse of what our website is like, persuasion.club. Um as one way to reach us, or persuasionclub.com, both of those work. Um but um our uh to to make our website useful um and um powerful um and informative and stuff like that. We we were uh using AI tools to to go and and help us um big basically aggregate the data and such. So anyway, I sat down and and then and uh started to to ask for some things and uh wound up in a spiral of regressive builds um and all kinds of crap that just wasted my entire day. It was just like a full wasted you know day. By the end of the day, I was like, I don't have anything to show for this. So oh man.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

Yeah. So yeah. Well I was gonna ask a question, but you you're you're rolling. I'll ask my questions at the end. Oh no, I want to hear your questions now, actually. Because I ramble too much. Did you figure out what was causing the regression to happen or the slipping?

SPEAKER_03 49:37

No, um, I just know the so anybody uh that has experience with this and love to hear others chime in, um, because I I certainly can learn from others here. Um, but when you're working with um most of the AIs, um, you've got your chat prompt and you have the ability to have multiple prompts for different uh topics, right? So you know it remembers like your your other conversations, and so therefore you can kind of group your conversations or uh um or you know, so that this conversation is this topic, and then this conversation is this topic. Um, and there's not a lot of crossover between, like, um especially with Chat GPT. Um if you have a conversation with one prompt about one thing, then it it'll remember like certain things, but then when you're in another prompt and you're doing something else, um it's it doesn't have a lot of memory. And from what I from what I could tell, um, because I I recently saw a thing flash up on on Chat GPT, it says we're working on improving memory between conversations. And I was like, oh, okay, well that's that's good because I I I would like it to to remember more um between the the different sessions, right? That seems like that would make sense. Um but what I found was because I'm such a multitasker. So in one in one window on one computer, I've instructed ChatGPT to go off and and create some code. Well on my other computer, I'm working on images and in Chat GPT, and I wanted to create um some stuff for um the video that I'm making for the song that I uh um played for everybody last week, right? Okay. So what's happened is the then I go back over to the programming side of things and I say, okay, give give me the next build. Um and if I don't use the word build or you know, just say give me the next version or whatever, it starts drawing me a picture. Because over here on the other computer, I was doing a picture, you know. So it's like, wait, I don't want a picture, I want a new, I want new code, you know, and so I would constantly have to remind it, no, don't give me fucking pictures, I want fucking code, you know. So I get all pissed off at it, you know. So um, but this is where we're at with with the AI now is that it's powerful, it's developing, it's it's coming a long way, and stuff like that. They're they're trying to do things with it, but it it can really go south too, you know. It's uh so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

Yeah, I you know, uh some humans are forgetful, but that sounds like uh it sounds like uh it's something that they'll need to work out so that it can have better memory, and that I mean, if it's really that smart, like you should be able to mul multitask it without it having big hiccups. So I mean it's good it's good to identify like the the weak points with AI, and then in the future, when those weak points get improved, it'll be like, oh wow, that that's an actual improvement. Yeah, that can be pointed to for this, you know, that thing.

SPEAKER_03 53:30

So I I have to assume that they've got lots of data as people are using the tools, so that they're starting to learn like what those weak points are. Um, because I keep seeing improvements, so I know that they're you know, they're they're uh and that's the thing, is like for the for those that doubt the the AI is going to be able to to do all the things that they say that it can do, it's just really a matter of time, you know. I I I I I feel like the capabilities are there, we're just not quite, you know, putting them together in the way that that's gonna make it the most useful yet.

SPEAKER_02 54:09

Uh yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot going into that industry, and that is going that is just like in that industry of hopefully, you know, we hear positive things and and whatnot, but I feel like humanoid robots are coming a long way. Yeah, uh I saw this thing recently where they're like they had a bunch of humanoid robots run a marathon.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

Yes, I was just gonna bring that up.

SPEAKER_02 54:37

Yeah, like humans, like uh that was interesting.

SPEAKER_03 54:41

Yeah, it's fun to watch those things run because some of them can run pretty fast.

SPEAKER_02 54:48

Yeah, which is also scary. I mean, uh thinking of a robot being able to, you know, uh chase you down, like that sounds terrible.

SPEAKER_03 54:57

That's coming, that's coming, yeah. You know, the um the days of uh of policing the way that we know it's gonna be Robocop, you know.

SPEAKER_02 55:07

Yeah, yeah. No, that I I think uh that would be interesting. I feel like there's video games and stuff that talk about futuristic technology. I feel like being able to hook up AI to some sort of mech armor uh would definitely be a next level uh thing. So uh that would be I did see that there was actually now that we're talking about this, there there was a uh some news about a full-sized, like uh personal mech, like uh robot that that you can buy that you can walk that walks and you can you get in like a cage in the in the core core of it and it has arms and legs and it can walk around.

SPEAKER_03 55:52

And I believe it's completely unpowered. Um, it doesn't need any electricity, it's just you and your body that's moving that around. If I if it's the same one that I saw.

SPEAKER_02 56:05

I I didn't see like the I yeah, I didn't see how it was being driven or like what the controls looked like. They just showed like a demo of a guy uh uh hopping into it, and then the it cuts to the next scene, and he's in like full head-to-toe, like body padding. That's awesome. Oh you might you might yeah, you might get tossed around a little bit uh as well, so you gotta be careful. Uh oh, totally. Stay uh buckled down in there. Yeah, that'd be crazy though. I can't imagine hopping into a mech suit and walking around. Uh, but then you know, if they if they take that kind of technology into like military or like you said, police, like Robocop kind of things. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 56:56

You ever see aliens? Um, the movie Aliens and um yeah, a long time ago.

SPEAKER_02 57:03

A long time ago, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:04

Yes, and so um um Ripley, uh main character, she's um um driving one of these loaders, which is basically one of those machines that you're talking about, kind of where it's you know, all mechanic, you know, mechanical, but it's like she's like lifting like all this heavy stuff with it and moving it and whatever. I could just see that. I mean, I think we're there mostly. We could do that now.

SPEAKER_02 57:29

Yeah, all this like it it's like uh right now we have person gets onto a forklift, but what if the person was the forklift?

SPEAKER_03 57:38

Oh yeah, that's the right way to think about it. I gotta say, that's thinking with getting all right, and you know, uh it's just a little after seven, and we've blown um through an hour already. It's amazing. Um, I don't know how we do it, but um fast, man. Yeah. Well, folks, um, we'll go ahead and wrap up the show tonight. Um, this is um where we will go ahead and do an after show um here in a second, but before that, we'll do a sign-off uh for the audio version of the podcast. Um, thanks for joining us. Um, we will get uh to part two of uh Win Bigly next week. But thank you. Next week. Thanks for hanging out with us. We'll see you next week. Yeah, thank you, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 58:26

Take it easy.

SPEAKER_03 58:30

Signing out of the like um the uh police squad TV show or at the end of the show they d instead of freezing the frame, they just all stay really still.

SPEAKER_02 59:04

Yeah, strike a pose. Kevin, you're frozen. I Kevin, your camera might not be working anymore.

SPEAKER_03 59:18

Well, it's gonna keep playing. It just always does this, doesn't it?